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PREFACE :Here below is a recopied (with typos hopefully edited out) copy of a text which chronicles an experience had by the poet Elizabeth Bishop-- when she was 6 years of age .
I was wondering what ramifications that experience she reports might have for epistemology, ( if any) ?
Fascinating account is recopied below of author Elizabeth Bishop waiting for her aunt Consuello in the dentist office in Worcester , Mass circa 1918 .
In the Waiting Room
by Elizabeth Bishop
In Worcester, Massachusetts,
I went with Aunt Consuelo
to keep her dentist’s appointment
and sat and waited for her
in the dentist’s waiting room.
It was winter. It got dark
early. The waiting room
was full of grown-up people,
arctics and overcoats,
lamps and magazines.
My aunt was inside
what seemed like a long time
and while I waited and read
the National Geographic
(I could read) and carefully
studied the photographs:
the inside of a volcano,
black, and full of ashes;
then it was spilling over
in rivulets of fire.
Osa and Martin Johnson
dressed in riding breeches,
laced boots, and pith helmets.
A dead man slung on a pole
“Long Pig,” the caption said.
Babies with pointed heads
wound round and round with string;
black, naked women with necks
wound round and round with wire
like the necks of light bulbs.
Their breasts were horrifying.
I read it right straight through.
I was too shy to stop.
And then I looked at the cover:
the yellow margins, the date.
Suddenly, from inside,
came an oh! of pain
–Aunt Consuelo’s voice–
not very loud or long.
I wasn’t at all surprised;
even then I knew she was
a foolish, timid woman.
I might have been embarrassed,
but wasn’t. What took me
completely by surprise
was that it was me:
my voice, in my mouth.
Without thinking at all
I was my foolish aunt,
I–we–were falling, falling,
our eyes glued to the cover
of the National Geographic,
February, 1918.
I said to myself: three days
and you’ll be seven years old.
I was saying it to stop
the sensation of falling off
the round, turning world.
into cold, blue-black space.
But I felt: you are an I,
you are an Elizabeth,
you are one of them.
Why should you be one, too?
I scarcely dared to look
to see what it was I was.
I gave a sidelong glance
–I couldn’t look any higher–
at shadowy gray knees,
trousers and skirts and boots
and different pairs of hands
lying under the lamps.
I knew that nothing stranger
had ever happened, that nothing
stranger could ever happen.
Why should I be my aunt,
or me, or anyone?
What similarities
boots, hands, the family voice
I felt in my throat, or even
the National Geographic
and those awful hanging breasts
held us all together
or made us all just one?
How I didn’t know any
word for it how “unlikely”. . .
How had I come to be here,
like them, and overhear
a cry of pain that could have
got loud and worse but hadn’t?
The waiting room was bright
and too hot. It was sliding
beneath a big black wave,
another, and another.
Then I was back in it.
The War was on. Outside,
in Worcester, Massachusetts,
were night and slush and cold,
and it was still the fifth
of February, 1918.
I was wondering what ramifications that experience she reports might have for epistemology, ( if any) ?
Fascinating account is recopied below of author Elizabeth Bishop waiting for her aunt Consuello in the dentist office in Worcester , Mass circa 1918 .
In the Waiting Room
by Elizabeth Bishop
In Worcester, Massachusetts,
I went with Aunt Consuelo
to keep her dentist’s appointment
and sat and waited for her
in the dentist’s waiting room.
It was winter. It got dark
early. The waiting room
was full of grown-up people,
arctics and overcoats,
lamps and magazines.
My aunt was inside
what seemed like a long time
and while I waited and read
the National Geographic
(I could read) and carefully
studied the photographs:
the inside of a volcano,
black, and full of ashes;
then it was spilling over
in rivulets of fire.
Osa and Martin Johnson
dressed in riding breeches,
laced boots, and pith helmets.
A dead man slung on a pole
“Long Pig,” the caption said.
Babies with pointed heads
wound round and round with string;
black, naked women with necks
wound round and round with wire
like the necks of light bulbs.
Their breasts were horrifying.
I read it right straight through.
I was too shy to stop.
And then I looked at the cover:
the yellow margins, the date.
Suddenly, from inside,
came an oh! of pain
–Aunt Consuelo’s voice–
not very loud or long.
I wasn’t at all surprised;
even then I knew she was
a foolish, timid woman.
I might have been embarrassed,
but wasn’t. What took me
completely by surprise
was that it was me:
my voice, in my mouth.
Without thinking at all
I was my foolish aunt,
I–we–were falling, falling,
our eyes glued to the cover
of the National Geographic,
February, 1918.
I said to myself: three days
and you’ll be seven years old.
I was saying it to stop
the sensation of falling off
the round, turning world.
into cold, blue-black space.
But I felt: you are an I,
you are an Elizabeth,
you are one of them.
Why should you be one, too?
I scarcely dared to look
to see what it was I was.
I gave a sidelong glance
–I couldn’t look any higher–
at shadowy gray knees,
trousers and skirts and boots
and different pairs of hands
lying under the lamps.
I knew that nothing stranger
had ever happened, that nothing
stranger could ever happen.
Why should I be my aunt,
or me, or anyone?
What similarities
boots, hands, the family voice
I felt in my throat, or even
the National Geographic
and those awful hanging breasts
held us all together
or made us all just one?
How I didn’t know any
word for it how “unlikely”. . .
How had I come to be here,
like them, and overhear
a cry of pain that could have
got loud and worse but hadn’t?
The waiting room was bright
and too hot. It was sliding
beneath a big black wave,
another, and another.
Then I was back in it.
The War was on. Outside,
in Worcester, Massachusetts,
were night and slush and cold,
and it was still the fifth
of February, 1918.
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Re: An anomalous mental experience: Elizabeth Bishop in the Waiting Room of the Dentist
Mon, July 27, 2009 - 7:50 AMI have read this or something like this somewhere before and cannot place it .It is anomalous, something like a psychotic episode of a schizophrenic.Varying in time,stimulus,reaction place, emotion, etc. chaotic construct of a six year old child.I think I felt the same inquisitive awareness as a child. It's kinda weird to make that sort of connection but again I am schizophrenic and to me most thing are anomalous. -
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Re: An anomalous mental experience: Elizabeth Bishop in the Waiting Room of the Dentist
Mon, July 27, 2009 - 3:38 PMPlease elaborate . -
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Re: An anomalous mental experience: Elizabeth Bishop in the Waiting Room of the Dentist
Tue, July 28, 2009 - 5:39 AMi think it's unfortunate that you've put everyone off of this tribe with your incoherent nonsense jason.
it would be nice to have a tribe where we could discuss this stuff without getting sucked into your mental morass. -
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I was conversing with rscott, NOT you person named 'Auto'
Tue, July 28, 2009 - 12:19 PMPerson with the screen name 'Auto' , WHO THE HECK ARE YOU ?
I wasn't even conversing with you . I was conversing with Rscott !
He was interested in sharing accounts of anomalous experiences he had .
So who asked you , Auto ? (Furthermore, since when are you the spokesperson for everyone else in the tribe ? )
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Re: An anomalous mental experience: Elizabeth Bishop in the Waiting Room of the Dentist
Tue, August 4, 2009 - 10:08 PMI can remember as a child having several episodes of what seemed a heightened awareness of surrounding stimulus at different developmental stages through my child hood and reacting in the same way as E.Bishop with relating random experiences and emotion to surrounding stimulus and in someway attempting some sort of analysis of the construct of and processing of the anomalous experience .I believe children are more aware or hypersensitive to experiences and in an anomalous approach of construct in reasoning.
That's my lame attempt at trying to be philosophical about this writing. -
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Re: An anomalous mental experience: Elizabeth Bishop in the Waiting Room of the Dentist
Wed, August 5, 2009 - 12:09 PMNot so lame at all, RScott. Actually, what you've shared is quite facinating .
And yes, the prosepct of children often being more attentive to anomalous aspects and /or nuances of experiential data ---especially that of a sensory kind , is quite plasuible . After all the sense of day to day *situational habit* in the way cognition interacts with the lifeworld in which a person finds themselves can cause a person to have pereceptual attentiveness grow dull . The eyes can sadly wax dull of seeing and the ears wax dull of hearing . -
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Re: An anomalous mental experience: Elizabeth Bishop in the Waiting Room of the Dentist
Mon, August 24, 2009 - 7:59 PMin recent analytical conversation the subject of waxing or dumbing down precepts was discussed . The main influence mainly on the premise of media propaganda and self destructive consumption.I leave this as open deduction -
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Re: An anomalous mental experience: Elizabeth Bishop in the Waiting Room of the Dentist
Tue, August 25, 2009 - 12:27 AMThe tide of media muck has lifted a lot of bad boats , all acros the raging sea of anomie !
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